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		<title>Comment on openSUSE: Nothing Else Works on My Computer by Novell News Summary &#8211; Part I: OpenSUSE at Texas Linux Fest, Build Service 1.7 Beta 1, and Lots of KDE4 &#124; Boycott Novell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Novell News Summary &#8211; Part I: OpenSUSE at Texas Linux Fest, Build Service 1.7 Beta 1, and Lots of KDE4 &#124; Boycott Novell</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] the other hand, here is a good mini-review of OpenSUSE, which is beating Vista 7.  I gave Windows Vista, which came with my hardware (Inspiron 545 MT), [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Christian Mysticism HOWTO, Part 3 by Emmanuel J. Karavousanos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emmanuel J. Karavousanos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thank you, Ed, for considering me a friend.  I admire you for being so forthright and forthcoming.  It is just so spiritually healthy to speak to one who is really an unknown and discover a keen sense of decency, something not so common in today&#039;s world.  Perhaps we may be saying the same thing when you apply all to God and I apply the same gifts to the potential that humans are born with.  What is this potential? It is the gift of insight where one can suddenly realize what must be done.  Morality is knowing right from wrong and you have that just as I do.  You find God provides that gift while I believe each of us has our built-in conscience helping us to intuitively know what is right and what must be done.  You show strength by your comment on the fact that your brother does not quite understand you.  That admission is character! Yes, you are a man of character who has a great deal more in him than even you may believe.  With or without God, you would do far better than so many people on the face of this planet.  In my heart I seem to feel that you are better and stronger than you think you are. Grow, my friend, grow in spirit for you are a unique individual able to bend, but not break.  You are right in suggesting that winning an argument is not important.  Seeking truth -- which is what you reach for -- is important.  You have self-esteem and I tend to think that you can elevate your self-esteem even further with more certainty ... in your self! You need to be &quot;pushed over the edge&quot; so that you can suddenly see that ... you can walk alone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thank you, Ed, for considering me a friend.  I admire you for being so forthright and forthcoming.  It is just so spiritually healthy to speak to one who is really an unknown and discover a keen sense of decency, something not so common in today&#8217;s world.  Perhaps we may be saying the same thing when you apply all to God and I apply the same gifts to the potential that humans are born with.  What is this potential? It is the gift of insight where one can suddenly realize what must be done.  Morality is knowing right from wrong and you have that just as I do.  You find God provides that gift while I believe each of us has our built-in conscience helping us to intuitively know what is right and what must be done.  You show strength by your comment on the fact that your brother does not quite understand you.  That admission is character! Yes, you are a man of character who has a great deal more in him than even you may believe.  With or without God, you would do far better than so many people on the face of this planet.  In my heart I seem to feel that you are better and stronger than you think you are. Grow, my friend, grow in spirit for you are a unique individual able to bend, but not break.  You are right in suggesting that winning an argument is not important.  Seeking truth &#8212; which is what you reach for &#8212; is important.  You have self-esteem and I tend to think that you can elevate your self-esteem even further with more certainty &#8230; in your self! You need to be &#8220;pushed over the edge&#8221; so that you can suddenly see that &#8230; you can walk alone!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Christian Mysticism HOWTO, Part 3 by Ed Hurst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Hurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 13:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate your kind words. I&#039;m not sure what else I can offer to explain my commitment to the Bible&#039;s message. My own brother doesn&#039;t quite understand it either. His intellect is far stronger than mine. Yet we work together on many things, because what he does understand is my love for him. That&#039;s something very hard to transmit in mere words, because the power for that love is above words. I suppose the only congruity I have to offer anyone is my ability to project the same sacrifice that took Jesus to the Cross. My projection is ever imperfect, but God watches over my service, and somehow it comes out alright. You have stuck around even as I stumble over my words, not always sure what I mean to convey.

I see no contradictions at all, though plenty of paradox. If all I needed to do was make sense, I would simply echo the works of some apologist far wiser than me, say, Josh McDowell. He it was who taught me winning the debate intellectually isn&#039;t really the point. He has done so repeatedly in times past, compelling atheists and other kinds of believers to admit his arguments won. They had no answer. But it did not make them believers. His first two seminal books provide all the documentary evidence anyone needs to accept belief in Jesus (&lt;em&gt;Evidence that Demands a Verdict&lt;/em&gt;) and belief in the Bible (&lt;em&gt;More Evidence that Demands a Verdict&lt;/em&gt;) are reasonable. Some have found new arguments, and he continues writing to address them, and it goes back and forth.

I no longer bother with that. I answer questions put to me, but the reason I answer them, or write about such things at all, is that love. All the proof in the world pale in comparison to the unquenchable drive to pour myself out for others. This has been enhanced by mysticism, which I seem to recall has been the common thread which began this discussion, but it does nothing to change the fundamental nature of what was already inside me. You were counted from the first comment as a friend, and have proven yourself willing to accept that offer, regardless of the lack of overt negotiations of such a thing. I will continue to hold you as a friend, and I pray for you as often as I see another post, at the minimum. I do not pretend to make you a &quot;notch on my Gospel Gun&quot; because I left such things behind long ago. Sadly, that still characterizes most of what I see among the church folks who decided I was too radical for their tastes. And I still love them, too, and answer the questions they may bring.

You are in good company, Emmanuel, if you don&#039;t quite understand what holds it all together inside me. But every time you come here, you will find that same warm embrace, provided you see past the weaknesses. Convincing you I am right is not the most important thing I can do, not by a long shot. My only real task is transparency. There is nothing else I can offer in virtual space. What I have to share is so compelling to me, I am willing to make myself a target for just about anything others may wish to pin on me. That&#039;s okay, because as soon as things change just a little in this world, I will be forgotten, lost in the sea of humanity. The thread running through all my religious posts is: Don&#039;t remember my name; remember Whom I serve and to what I am committed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate your kind words. I&#8217;m not sure what else I can offer to explain my commitment to the Bible&#8217;s message. My own brother doesn&#8217;t quite understand it either. His intellect is far stronger than mine. Yet we work together on many things, because what he does understand is my love for him. That&#8217;s something very hard to transmit in mere words, because the power for that love is above words. I suppose the only congruity I have to offer anyone is my ability to project the same sacrifice that took Jesus to the Cross. My projection is ever imperfect, but God watches over my service, and somehow it comes out alright. You have stuck around even as I stumble over my words, not always sure what I mean to convey.</p>
<p>I see no contradictions at all, though plenty of paradox. If all I needed to do was make sense, I would simply echo the works of some apologist far wiser than me, say, Josh McDowell. He it was who taught me winning the debate intellectually isn&#8217;t really the point. He has done so repeatedly in times past, compelling atheists and other kinds of believers to admit his arguments won. They had no answer. But it did not make them believers. His first two seminal books provide all the documentary evidence anyone needs to accept belief in Jesus (<em>Evidence that Demands a Verdict</em>) and belief in the Bible (<em>More Evidence that Demands a Verdict</em>) are reasonable. Some have found new arguments, and he continues writing to address them, and it goes back and forth.</p>
<p>I no longer bother with that. I answer questions put to me, but the reason I answer them, or write about such things at all, is that love. All the proof in the world pale in comparison to the unquenchable drive to pour myself out for others. This has been enhanced by mysticism, which I seem to recall has been the common thread which began this discussion, but it does nothing to change the fundamental nature of what was already inside me. You were counted from the first comment as a friend, and have proven yourself willing to accept that offer, regardless of the lack of overt negotiations of such a thing. I will continue to hold you as a friend, and I pray for you as often as I see another post, at the minimum. I do not pretend to make you a &#8220;notch on my Gospel Gun&#8221; because I left such things behind long ago. Sadly, that still characterizes most of what I see among the church folks who decided I was too radical for their tastes. And I still love them, too, and answer the questions they may bring.</p>
<p>You are in good company, Emmanuel, if you don&#8217;t quite understand what holds it all together inside me. But every time you come here, you will find that same warm embrace, provided you see past the weaknesses. Convincing you I am right is not the most important thing I can do, not by a long shot. My only real task is transparency. There is nothing else I can offer in virtual space. What I have to share is so compelling to me, I am willing to make myself a target for just about anything others may wish to pin on me. That&#8217;s okay, because as soon as things change just a little in this world, I will be forgotten, lost in the sea of humanity. The thread running through all my religious posts is: Don&#8217;t remember my name; remember Whom I serve and to what I am committed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Christian Mysticism HOWTO, Part 3 by Emmanuel J. Karavousanos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emmanuel J. Karavousanos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 04:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed, I find you to be ever so strong intellectually and well armed with much that is cultural, religious and spiritual.  I certainly value this kind of mind.  You are in this way, at least to me, &quot;a breath of fresh air&quot; in this dialogue we have had going.  I do not view you as stubborn, yet remarkably you defend blind faith with incredible ardor.  You use what is written in the Bible as a basis for your deep faith.  It is a faith in the Bible&#039;s words that I have seldom come across.  We know the Bible was written by a number of different people, so this alone tells us of its fallibility.  And when we read what some chapters say to us, it&#039;s no wonder people move away in droves from religion, the Church and faith. I cannot for the life of me understand how you can possibly apply such blind faith.  It seems so incogruous with your intellect.  I have often met people who are intellects but have little wisdom.  I have also met people with little schooling who are most wise.  My mother who was born in Greece had a 3rd grade education, but she grew into a very wise woman.  You seem, at least to me, a man who is honest with himself and therefore I find difficulty in accepting what you project yourself to be.  The fact that you agree and write that &quot;faith is completely unreasonable&quot; yet still maintain it, makes me wonder about you even more given your recognition that your position is incongruous.  This makes it easy for another to attack your credibility and even easier for them to ignore you.  Clearly, you seem to be a fine human being. At the same time you are an example, at least to me, of a contradiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, I find you to be ever so strong intellectually and well armed with much that is cultural, religious and spiritual.  I certainly value this kind of mind.  You are in this way, at least to me, &#8220;a breath of fresh air&#8221; in this dialogue we have had going.  I do not view you as stubborn, yet remarkably you defend blind faith with incredible ardor.  You use what is written in the Bible as a basis for your deep faith.  It is a faith in the Bible&#8217;s words that I have seldom come across.  We know the Bible was written by a number of different people, so this alone tells us of its fallibility.  And when we read what some chapters say to us, it&#8217;s no wonder people move away in droves from religion, the Church and faith. I cannot for the life of me understand how you can possibly apply such blind faith.  It seems so incogruous with your intellect.  I have often met people who are intellects but have little wisdom.  I have also met people with little schooling who are most wise.  My mother who was born in Greece had a 3rd grade education, but she grew into a very wise woman.  You seem, at least to me, a man who is honest with himself and therefore I find difficulty in accepting what you project yourself to be.  The fact that you agree and write that &#8220;faith is completely unreasonable&#8221; yet still maintain it, makes me wonder about you even more given your recognition that your position is incongruous.  This makes it easy for another to attack your credibility and even easier for them to ignore you.  Clearly, you seem to be a fine human being. At the same time you are an example, at least to me, of a contradiction.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Christian Mysticism HOWTO, Part 3 by Ed Hurst</title>
		<link>http://jehurst.wordpress.com/2009/12/11/christian-mysticism-howto-part-3/#comment-401</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Hurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 02:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had a few others post comments, but you are the first to express any real interest in my religious material. Most of the attention I get is for the computer-related stuff.

Faith does look weak from the outside. The greatest sadness I face within religious circles are the vast number of people who build faith on some inferior alternative to logic. Faith is indeed belief which cannot be proven. The Hellenist epistemology typically ascribed to Aristotle, but certainly in evidence before him, assumes a belief which cannot be proven is baseless. The ANE epistemology assumes the mystical approach is the other source.

Human nature is body, mind and spirit. Men are born with dead spirits. The highest faculty of such men is intellect, the rational logical mind. Should God choose, He can bring life to the human spirit, and there plants His own Holy Spirit. But all is not suddenly resolved. The mind is not prepared for input from that direction, which for so long had been dead. It takes a lot of time to teach the mind to accept input from that source. Mysticism prepares us to understand that faculty of Spirit-spirit communion. Most Christians reject mysticism as a suspicious flirtation with paganism. However, it is the proper means to knowing in the spirit, because logic cannot reach the level of truth for which there are no words.

I remain uncertain in the mind of my flesh, knowing I am surely getting some things wrong. I know that I do not know it all, but I also am entirely certain my mind can never rise to truth. My spirit knows the higher truth, but that is not the same kind of &quot;knowing.&quot; By long effort, prayer, contemplation, and other spiritual exercises, the mind learns to accept input, but it comes always in the form of imperatives. Never in forms of intellectual knowledge, the entire range of spiritual activity is confined to imperatives. Not specific actions, but commitments which result in actions which must match the context. My mind must learn to differentiate between emotions, mere wishful thinking, and all sorts of other stuff, and recognize the imperatives of the Spirit.

As you might surmise, I am acquainted with logic and knowledge of the Hellenistic epistemology. I teach computers, for goodness sakes, along with the Social Sciences, some limited civil engineering, etc. I understand the historian&#039;s approach to the record of Scripture, and related materials outside the Bible. Rational reason rejects many claims. But my living spirit, hearing from God&#039;s Spirit, demands I hold myself accountable for what I understand the Bible demands of me. This is what I teach as Christian Faith. That so very many people are suckers for the Jim Jones brand of unreason is a shame to the church, but not to me. I reject their witness. While Jim Jones is an extreme example, a byword (&quot;he drinks the coolade&quot;), the vast majority of those who share some portion of my faith get theirs from somewhere else than I do. They still insist faith must be reasonable. I insist faith is completely unreasonable, but it&#039;s because genuine faith is above reason. Faith is an input into the decision process which overrules and overpowers reason. It makes demands without reference to logic of that sort, but by its own peculiar logic.

This permits me to sacrifice myself against all self interest. My sinful nature fights that sacrifice, so I don&#039;t always achieve. But holiness God seeks is neither mere conduct nor success. He grants the power to success, but what he permits me to do is maintain the desire for His approval. That desire alone is what God seeks from me, and calls that holiness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had a few others post comments, but you are the first to express any real interest in my religious material. Most of the attention I get is for the computer-related stuff.</p>
<p>Faith does look weak from the outside. The greatest sadness I face within religious circles are the vast number of people who build faith on some inferior alternative to logic. Faith is indeed belief which cannot be proven. The Hellenist epistemology typically ascribed to Aristotle, but certainly in evidence before him, assumes a belief which cannot be proven is baseless. The ANE epistemology assumes the mystical approach is the other source.</p>
<p>Human nature is body, mind and spirit. Men are born with dead spirits. The highest faculty of such men is intellect, the rational logical mind. Should God choose, He can bring life to the human spirit, and there plants His own Holy Spirit. But all is not suddenly resolved. The mind is not prepared for input from that direction, which for so long had been dead. It takes a lot of time to teach the mind to accept input from that source. Mysticism prepares us to understand that faculty of Spirit-spirit communion. Most Christians reject mysticism as a suspicious flirtation with paganism. However, it is the proper means to knowing in the spirit, because logic cannot reach the level of truth for which there are no words.</p>
<p>I remain uncertain in the mind of my flesh, knowing I am surely getting some things wrong. I know that I do not know it all, but I also am entirely certain my mind can never rise to truth. My spirit knows the higher truth, but that is not the same kind of &#8220;knowing.&#8221; By long effort, prayer, contemplation, and other spiritual exercises, the mind learns to accept input, but it comes always in the form of imperatives. Never in forms of intellectual knowledge, the entire range of spiritual activity is confined to imperatives. Not specific actions, but commitments which result in actions which must match the context. My mind must learn to differentiate between emotions, mere wishful thinking, and all sorts of other stuff, and recognize the imperatives of the Spirit.</p>
<p>As you might surmise, I am acquainted with logic and knowledge of the Hellenistic epistemology. I teach computers, for goodness sakes, along with the Social Sciences, some limited civil engineering, etc. I understand the historian&#8217;s approach to the record of Scripture, and related materials outside the Bible. Rational reason rejects many claims. But my living spirit, hearing from God&#8217;s Spirit, demands I hold myself accountable for what I understand the Bible demands of me. This is what I teach as Christian Faith. That so very many people are suckers for the Jim Jones brand of unreason is a shame to the church, but not to me. I reject their witness. While Jim Jones is an extreme example, a byword (&#8220;he drinks the coolade&#8221;), the vast majority of those who share some portion of my faith get theirs from somewhere else than I do. They still insist faith must be reasonable. I insist faith is completely unreasonable, but it&#8217;s because genuine faith is above reason. Faith is an input into the decision process which overrules and overpowers reason. It makes demands without reference to logic of that sort, but by its own peculiar logic.</p>
<p>This permits me to sacrifice myself against all self interest. My sinful nature fights that sacrifice, so I don&#8217;t always achieve. But holiness God seeks is neither mere conduct nor success. He grants the power to success, but what he permits me to do is maintain the desire for His approval. That desire alone is what God seeks from me, and calls that holiness.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Christian Mysticism HOWTO, Part 3 by Emmanuel J. Karavousanos</title>
		<link>http://jehurst.wordpress.com/2009/12/11/christian-mysticism-howto-part-3/#comment-400</link>
		<dc:creator>Emmanuel J. Karavousanos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 23:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it looks like you and I are the only ones on this blog.  I haven&#039;t seen anyone writing to challenge either of us.  So you, Ed, being an Adventist, expect Jesus to return.  My mind is boggled by the idea that some suggest that he hasn&#039;t come yet, but will come some time in the future.  Some offer that he has come and is to come again.  Still others think he didn&#039;t come and will never come.  This is where I become Socratic: I know one thing and that is that I know nothing. Why? Because everyone has what they may consider some kind of foundation or solid basis, but everyone seems to know that they can&#039;t all be right.  All this turns out to be based solely on blind faith.  By definition faith is belief that is not based on proof.  Hence, if people begin to believe in something baseless, they are lacking in intelligence.  Often, they fall victim to ruthless &quot;leaders.&quot;  A good example was the James Jones incident in Jonestown where some 1,000 people died.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it looks like you and I are the only ones on this blog.  I haven&#8217;t seen anyone writing to challenge either of us.  So you, Ed, being an Adventist, expect Jesus to return.  My mind is boggled by the idea that some suggest that he hasn&#8217;t come yet, but will come some time in the future.  Some offer that he has come and is to come again.  Still others think he didn&#8217;t come and will never come.  This is where I become Socratic: I know one thing and that is that I know nothing. Why? Because everyone has what they may consider some kind of foundation or solid basis, but everyone seems to know that they can&#8217;t all be right.  All this turns out to be based solely on blind faith.  By definition faith is belief that is not based on proof.  Hence, if people begin to believe in something baseless, they are lacking in intelligence.  Often, they fall victim to ruthless &#8220;leaders.&#8221;  A good example was the James Jones incident in Jonestown where some 1,000 people died.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Christian Mysticism HOWTO, Part 3 by Ed Hurst</title>
		<link>http://jehurst.wordpress.com/2009/12/11/christian-mysticism-howto-part-3/#comment-399</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Hurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never give up, but I saw nothing to which further response would provide something I hadn&#039;t already said.

I wrote &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ofb.biz/safari/article/595.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;an article about this very question&lt;/a&gt;. Jesus could not have been born this time of year. I find sufficient evidence to believe the date had something to do with Constantine&#039;s pernicious influence over the church. So I don&#039;t bristle at the commercialism, but do like to remind those who have time to listen that ancient Hebrews didn&#039;t celebrate birthdays much, but many pagan religions make much of them. It&#039;s not a crusade convince folks to lighten up about &lt;em&gt;Christ&lt;/em&gt;mas, but I don&#039;t always let it pass silently. So I would say the cultural drift around Christmas is meaningless, in that sense.

So you might guess I have no great reverence for tradition, and certainly not for what passes as Church History traditions. I&#039;m not hostile to Catholics or the Orthodox branches, just not interested. Protestants tolerate me to varying degrees, and that tiny handful of folks who pay attention to what I teach can belong to any church they like, because the question is who will tolerate those who agree with me. Around here, I&#039;ve not found an organized church which can put up with me, so I leave them in peace.

But returning to the original question, I do like to celebrate Advent, though I do so with an entirely different emphasis. I&#039;ve been writing a series of mediations for the 25 days of Advent on &lt;a href=&quot;soulkiln.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;yet another blog&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never give up, but I saw nothing to which further response would provide something I hadn&#8217;t already said.</p>
<p>I wrote <a href="http://www.ofb.biz/safari/article/595.html" rel="nofollow">an article about this very question</a>. Jesus could not have been born this time of year. I find sufficient evidence to believe the date had something to do with Constantine&#8217;s pernicious influence over the church. So I don&#8217;t bristle at the commercialism, but do like to remind those who have time to listen that ancient Hebrews didn&#8217;t celebrate birthdays much, but many pagan religions make much of them. It&#8217;s not a crusade convince folks to lighten up about <em>Christ</em>mas, but I don&#8217;t always let it pass silently. So I would say the cultural drift around Christmas is meaningless, in that sense.</p>
<p>So you might guess I have no great reverence for tradition, and certainly not for what passes as Church History traditions. I&#8217;m not hostile to Catholics or the Orthodox branches, just not interested. Protestants tolerate me to varying degrees, and that tiny handful of folks who pay attention to what I teach can belong to any church they like, because the question is who will tolerate those who agree with me. Around here, I&#8217;ve not found an organized church which can put up with me, so I leave them in peace.</p>
<p>But returning to the original question, I do like to celebrate Advent, though I do so with an entirely different emphasis. I&#8217;ve been writing a series of mediations for the 25 days of Advent on <a href="soulkiln.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">yet another blog</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Christian Mysticism HOWTO, Part 3 by Emmanuel J. Karavousanos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emmanuel J. Karavousanos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed, you&#039;re not giving up on me, are you? We are in this beautiful Christmas season which celebrates the birth of Jesus.  Today, curiously, not much is said about Jesus.  It&#039;s more about Santa.  I&#039;m not sure this is good or bad or meaningless.  What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, you&#8217;re not giving up on me, are you? We are in this beautiful Christmas season which celebrates the birth of Jesus.  Today, curiously, not much is said about Jesus.  It&#8217;s more about Santa.  I&#8217;m not sure this is good or bad or meaningless.  What do you think?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Christian Mysticism HOWTO, Part 3 by Ed Hurst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Hurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 23:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome any time. God bless you, Sir.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Christian Mysticism HOWTO, Part 3 by Emmanuel J. Karavousanos</title>
		<link>http://jehurst.wordpress.com/2009/12/11/christian-mysticism-howto-part-3/#comment-395</link>
		<dc:creator>Emmanuel J. Karavousanos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 23:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect, Ed, I simply cannot believe Bibles that were written by men.  When I read the Hebrew Testament (which we Christians decided to call the Old Testament)and see what, for example,  Leviticus tells us, it knocks me for a loop.  I won&#039;t go into it, but I get the feeling that you are well read and may know what&#039;s in the &quot;holy&quot; book.  When God orders people slain, I&#039;m not sure I go along with him.  God&#039;s son, Jesus was a little more cautious, but did he did get angry and upset.  After all, he was also human. Sure I&#039;m being somewhat cynical, but if we can&#039;t talk about all this, we may as well pack it in.  You believe we are going to heaven or hell.  Frankly, I think we are going right back to the place we were before we were born.  We are going back to nothingness.  If you&#039;ve been under general anesthesia, you know what death is like.  Humans, I believe, are maturing in mind and more and more of us are seeing that there is no heaven and there is no hell.  All that was thought up by men who tried to explain the world, failing to see the obvious.  Many believed the stories and legends.  It may be true that this was no a bad idea given the need to provide some way to control ourselves from immorality, crime, sin, etc.  Darwin and so many other great minds gave us answers to questions that are now accepted as fact.  It&#039;s strange how one individual can believe in heaven and hell, and another dispatches the whole idea.  If a person is a decent human being and does not believe, why would God damn him to eternal punishment! I for one am already in heaven simply because I love life and am blessed in so many, many ways.  A man like yourself comes along and tells me I may be damned to hell for all eternity and what happens? Well, if I believe it, there is something wrong with me.  If I am able to dismiss it as a neat fairly tale, I&#039;m a long better off and have no hang-up about it.  You, however, believing it, may be in hotter water than I&#039;ll ever be.  Again, thanks for the great communications we&#039;ve had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect, Ed, I simply cannot believe Bibles that were written by men.  When I read the Hebrew Testament (which we Christians decided to call the Old Testament)and see what, for example,  Leviticus tells us, it knocks me for a loop.  I won&#8217;t go into it, but I get the feeling that you are well read and may know what&#8217;s in the &#8220;holy&#8221; book.  When God orders people slain, I&#8217;m not sure I go along with him.  God&#8217;s son, Jesus was a little more cautious, but did he did get angry and upset.  After all, he was also human. Sure I&#8217;m being somewhat cynical, but if we can&#8217;t talk about all this, we may as well pack it in.  You believe we are going to heaven or hell.  Frankly, I think we are going right back to the place we were before we were born.  We are going back to nothingness.  If you&#8217;ve been under general anesthesia, you know what death is like.  Humans, I believe, are maturing in mind and more and more of us are seeing that there is no heaven and there is no hell.  All that was thought up by men who tried to explain the world, failing to see the obvious.  Many believed the stories and legends.  It may be true that this was no a bad idea given the need to provide some way to control ourselves from immorality, crime, sin, etc.  Darwin and so many other great minds gave us answers to questions that are now accepted as fact.  It&#8217;s strange how one individual can believe in heaven and hell, and another dispatches the whole idea.  If a person is a decent human being and does not believe, why would God damn him to eternal punishment! I for one am already in heaven simply because I love life and am blessed in so many, many ways.  A man like yourself comes along and tells me I may be damned to hell for all eternity and what happens? Well, if I believe it, there is something wrong with me.  If I am able to dismiss it as a neat fairly tale, I&#8217;m a long better off and have no hang-up about it.  You, however, believing it, may be in hotter water than I&#8217;ll ever be.  Again, thanks for the great communications we&#8217;ve had.</p>
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